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The Way These Dolls Are Listed (numbered)
On Ebay Below "In Green".
The other numbers (numbers on the doll pictures "white") are the way I list them and how they are described on this page and on this site.
(I list them by what the grill looks like)
Note: There are 5 different grills
Chatty Cathy
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No Writing On
Her Back. Has
a light brown or black record inside
and/or
#1 Has writing on her back has a black record inside.
Both #0 & #1 have a black paper speakers & Say 11 different phrases, has a closed voice box
She is also the one I see coming out of canada a lot. She is like a mix of all the dolls, so what number is she?
She says 11 phrases
Her Center Has Holes in Picture (Above)
#3 has 6 sided speaker "hexagon" says 11 phrases has a Red Paper speaker and the speaker rides on top the needle has a black record and is the first to have an open voice box.
She is the same inside as the #5 except she is lacking the 4 bottom holes. That were added later for Ventilation. She is the first to say 18 different phrases, she has a black record and an open voice box
(please note her Solid Center)
In Picture Above
#1 doll has a round indented cloth covered speaker, closed voice box, black paper speaker, black record (record not dated), Mattel patents pending stamp on her back, says 11 phrases.
#2 doll has a round indented hexagon speaker and does not have any cloth covering the speaker, closed voice box, black paper speaker, black record (record not dated) Mattel patents pending stamp on her back, says 11 phrases or white plastic speaker, black record (record dated 1961) Mattel © u.s. pat. 3017,187 stamp on her back, says 11 phrases.
#3 doll has a hexagon speaker, hole in very center of speaker, 61 holes in speaker, open voice box, red or black paper speaker, black record (record dated 1961), Mattel patents pending stamp on her back, or Mattel © u.s. pat. 3017,187 stamp on her back, says 11 phrases.
#4 doll has a hexagon speaker solid center, 60 holes in speaker but "does not" have 4 holes below speaker, open voice box, white plastic speaker, black record (record dated 1962), Mattel © u.s. pat. 3017,187 stamp on her back, first to say 18. She can also be found with a black record (record dated 1961), says 11 phrases.
#5 doll has a hexagon speaker solid center, 60 holes in speaker and also has 4 holes below that speaker, open voice box, white plastic speaker, black, orange or white record (record dated 1962), Mattel © u.s. pat. 3017,187, stamp on her back, says 18 phrases. Last doll made.
Pictures and more details below
Stamped on her back
Chatty Cathy r
c 1960
chatty baby t.m.
c1961
by mattel inc
u.s. pat. 3017,187.
other u.s. &
foreign pats. pend.
pat. in canada 1962
Orange or Black Record is dated 1962
#5 Body/grill, always says 18 phrases. This body is the one everyone wants and that is because she is easy to fix and the orange or white record is a much better record. The doll can come with the orange or white record and that record is grooved deeper and less likely to get scratched up like the black ones do. I also think the record is made of a different type of material. But she can also come with the spring pressed needle and with the black record that is in the #4. I see this mostly in blonde piggy's. What I don't like about the number 5 is that the needle isn't spring pressed and I am sure Mattel took the spring out/off because when they made the better record with the deeper groves, just the one spring (spring in the speaker) was enough and the one on the needle wasn't needed anymore. But Mattel never knew these dolls would come to be such collectables. Because after 50 years, the plastic is breaking down where the needle is attached to the number 5's body. I have had that plastic needle ring and post reak off more than once and once it does, you might as well just put the doll aside or put a whole new phonograph in her because it is close to impossible to fix that plastic needle ring. But she is a very good talker when everything is working right and she has the better orange record. Just remember when buying a doll with a #5 body doesn't mean she will have a #5 player with the better orange record inside her body because like I said, a lot of the blondes have the #4 player/phonograph inside them with the black record. To find a doll with the white record is rare, I have only found a handful of white records in 400 dolls. (Brunettes and Redheads can also have the #4 record player inside the body as well as the black record just like the blonde pig-tail chatty cathy's)
Stamped on here back
Chatty Cathy r
c 1960
chatty baby t.m.
c1961
by mattel inc
u.s. pat. 3017,187.
other u.s. &
foreign pats. pend.
pat. in canada 1962
Black Record is dated 1961
I have never seen this doll with the better orange record.
It always has the black record and she is the first to says 18 different phrases. I have also bought this doll with a record dated 1961 saying 11 phrases (1 in 100). She almost always has a record dated 1962 that says 18 phrases. Has mostly pig-tails for hair and can be a soft or hard face.
#4 Body/grill, is the first to say 18 phrases, This body is easy to fix if you know what you are doing and a lot of the time a better made doll than the number 5's. The reason is, in almost all number 4's the needle has a spring on it to push the needle down onto the record. I think the reason for this is the black record that is inside the dolls body. The black record isn't as deeply grooved as the record in the #5. She is a very dependable doll, she can almost always be fixed. In fact I have had more luck fixing this doll than fixing the number 5. (this doll is the first one to say 18 different phrases, her record is dated 1962 . She can be found with a record dated 1961 and says 11 phrases. But 99 out of 100 will say 18 phrases.)
Stamped on her body: Chatty Cathy t.m.
patents pending
c mcmlx
by masttel. inc.
hawthorne. calif.
no circle
Black record is dated 1961
PS:.. 9 times out of ten she will come with a red paper speaker
#3 Body/grill, says 11 phrases. This body is not hard to fix but to me is the worse one. I shy away from fixing these because of the Red Paper speaker inside. (95% of these dolls have the red paper speaker 5% have a black paper speaker). The speaker sits on top of the needle and has a glob of wax to hold it in place. It is very hard to work around that red paper speaker, it bends easy and rips easy. Also with this doll, most of the time, will come with a hard head, what that means is ... this dolls body neck ring is the open kind, just like numbers 0-2, meaning it is very hard to get a hard head off without breaking the neck ring. It is easier to put the head back on, than to take it off this body. 0-1 always comes in soft heads so the open ring isn't a problem because a soft head is very easy to work with. In all the dolls I have fixed this is the one I have the most trouble with. It can be fixed but you have to so very careful with her that it can be nerve racking. To me she is the most fragile doll of all the chatties. Plus once repaired she will never be a very loud talker. (this doll has also been called the transitional doll because it can come with a hard head and has the first open voice box)
Stamped On Her Back:
Chatty Cathy rc 1960 chatty baby t.m.c1961 by mattel inc u.s. pat. 3017,187. other u.s. & foreign pats. pend. (on some) small circle under says mattel inc. m totmakers
Black Record is dated 1961
Also this is the doll that confuses me the most. I can not decide where to place her. Her back says she was made in 1961-1962 but she is more like the early chatty cathy dolls. Then again she has the better white plastic speaker. But a closed voice box and again her back reads like the number's 4 and 5 (above), yet her guts/in-sides are more like the numbers 0-2. I also see this doll come out of Canada a lot. She is different from all the rest but at the same time she is a combination of all the dolls. I have seen her more than once as a Black Chatty Cathy doll. As far as I know all black Chatty Cathy dolls came with hard heads. So that is telling me she was made in the later years. So why the closed voice box? My meaning is below.
1 she has a closed voice box and an open neck ring.
2 we know she came with a hard head because of the black dolls.
3 the writing on her back is later than the #3 doll and is the same as the #5 doll.
4 she has a black record dated 1961.
5 her limbs can be white but mostly pink (I might have that one backwards meaning limbs can be pink but mostly white I need to look that up....LOL... sorry my brain is fried right now).
Why this doll falls into so many different categories I don't know. It's almost like she is a mix of all the dolls. Could she be left over parts? or could she be a test doll, meaning Mattel after making the number 3 above with the first open voice box, changed their minds, because like I said that doll is a nightmare to repair. So they went back to the closed voice box for a while, but realized an open one talked better, so combined the two? maybe .... So if anything, this doll should be the one called the transitional Chatty Cathy made after number 3 but before number 4, because the date on the record is the same as #3, 1961, but stamped her as a number 4, because by then they had the pats? But gave her a #2 voice box, because #3 was such a bad doll? So in the end, they combined the best of all the dolls and made a #5? Meaning a number 5 has an open voice box like #3, a white plastic speaker like #4, a record that says 18 phrases like #4 and stamped on her back like #4... LOL see why I am so confuses when it come to this body?????????
This doll should be a 3 1/2 but looks like a #2 and is always listed that way. All these questions I have because of this one body. Plus the only way for me to ever find out why this doll was made, the way she is made, I would have to find the engineer that created her. The other dolls are consistent with how they were made. So I have no questions with them. This body will continue to confuse me until the day I die, I swear.
Chatty Cathy t.m.
patents pending
c mcmlx
by mattel. inc.
hawthorne. calif.
circle under says
mattel inc.
m
toymakers
Black Record is dated 1961
She always comes in a soft face and I have never seen her with pig-tails. The prototype and number 1 always come with the darker brown limbs that are never seen in the number 2's. I have also seen the hard heads come on some of the #2's. But never a hard head on a body with a cloth covered speaker.
Her record is dated 1960 and she says 11 different phrases.
Stamped on her back:
Chatty Cathy t.m.
patents pending
c mcmlx
by mattel. inc.
hawthorne. calif. #1
circle under says
mattel inc.
m
toymakers
black record is dated 1961 or No date
brown record No date
Grill #1
Nothing on the back
description is the same as number one above
black record is dated 1961 or if
brown record No date
#0, #1, #2 and #? Bodies/grill, all 3 say 11 phrases. All the same inside, having a closed voice box. But number ? has a white plastic speaker where #0, #1 and #2 have a black paper speaker. But all four are made almost the same and are the hardest to fix. The black paper speaker is not very loud and it can get bent and ripped easily. The plastic white speaker inside number ? is a much better speaker and it is also glued to the doll unlike the black paper that is attached to the moving needle. Also I list #? as a #2 on my site and ebay. # 0 and #1 always come with a soft head, #2 can come with a soft head but I have also seen her with a hard head. I just seen this body come with a black hard head and have seen this body come with other hard heads as well. (#? body will, a lot of the time, come with a hard head with a Paige Boy hair cut, which is also the hard head that you will see small pea size white spots or "chatty measles")
The brown one on the left will be found in some of the prototypes. Says 11 phrases
The black record can be found from prototype to number 5 doll. Says 11 and 18 phrases
The orange record far right is only found in about 50% of the number 5 dolls and says 18 phrases. The white record is in maybe 1% of the dolls and is very rare and says 18 phrases.
Dated 1962 Chatty Cathy, says 18 phrases
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Also please remember these dolls are made of plastic and rubber and after years of kids playing with these dolls and people keeping these dolls in storage they can pick up and give off lots of different smells, so please do not keep her boxed up to long. My dolls have been cleaned inside and out from head to toe. My dolls are VERY, VERY, clean and smell like dolls.
You can be assured I will tell you everything about the doll good or bad, not just her fine points but everything I see that I think should be told. If you have questions about some part of the doll that I have or don't have a picture of please ask, I can miss things on the dolls that I think are unimportant and therefore not mention in my description, If I do and you are “Not Happy” PLEASE FEEL FREE TO MAIL HER BACK TO ME. I want you to be happy with this doll, 100% happy. I do not what you to regret buying her and I mean that. I will return your money as soon as you send the doll back to me.
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