| Has a closed voice box with white plastic speaker. Open neck ring, hard head or soft. I have seen her as a soft head pigtail. I have also seen her many times with the Paige Boy hair cut. (Paige Boy is the doll notorious for white spots on her face called Chatty Measles). I have at times seen her with the really bad faded limbs. Her record is black and says 11 different phrases. Also I found a doll like this with a orange record inside her body, the doll had this body but in the inside of the body I found 2 speaker grills and I know she was original because she had never been opened. She had a front speaker grill just like this doll but also had another grill over the plastic speaker inside her body, she was some kind of test doll, has always been my thinking and was a One Of A Kind Doll. I sold her, she is gone. (that was stupid of me!..LOL) Also this is the doll that confuses me the most. I can not decide where to place her. Because she is more like the early chatty cathy dolls. Then again she has the better white plastic speaker like the late Chatty Cathy dolls. But a closed voice box like the early dolls. Yet her back reads like the number 3. I also see this doll come out of Canada a lot. She is different from all the rest but at the same time she is a combination of all the dolls. I have seen her more than once as a Black Chatty Cathy doll. As far as I know all black Chatty Cathy dolls came with hard heads. So that is telling me she was made in the later years. So why the closed voice box? My meaning is below. 1. She has a closed voice box and an open neck ring, like number 0-3 2. We know she came with a hard head because of the black dolls, like number 3 3. The Mattel stamp on the back of this body is the only stamp not used on any other body number (body=grill #) 4. She has a black record dated 1961 but I have found a 1962 record in her body. (one time in an unopened doll). 5. She is a loud and clear talker like 4 & 5. Why this doll falls into so many different categories I don't know. It's almost like she is a mix of all the dolls. Could she be left over parts? Or could she be a test doll, meaning Mattel after making the number 3 above with the first open voice box, changed their minds, because like I said that doll is a nightmare to repair. So they went back to the closed voice box for a while, but realized an open one talked better, so combined the two? Maybe .... So if anything, this doll should be the one called the transitional Chatty Cathy made after number 2 but before number 4 but yet is not a number 3. This doll should be a 3 1/2 but looks like a #2 and is always listed that way. All these questions I have because of this one body. Plus the only way for me to ever find out why this doll was made, the way she is made, I would have to find the engineer that created her. The other dolls are consistent with how they were made. So I have no questions with them. This body will continue to confuse me until the day I die, I swear. |
| I have seen this doll with an open neck ring only once, an odd find, her neck is almost always closed. American dolls can come with white, yellow and peach colored limbs. Canadian dolls come with Canadian peach colored limbs. 98% of the time this doll has a black record 2% orange and she is the first to say 18 different phrases. I have also bought this doll with a record dated 1961 saying 11 phrases maybe 0.5% of the time the rest of the time has a record that is dated 1962 and says 18 phrases. Comes with all the different heads, American soft or hard head or Canadian soft head. |
| #3 Grill #3 Stamped on her body: CHATTY CATHY T.M. PATENTS PENDING © MCMLX BY MATTEL INC. HAWTHORNE, CALIF. Black or brown record is dated 1961 Also I have seen this body stamped: CHATTY CATHY ® ©1960 CHATTY BABY T.M. ©1961 BY MATTEL INC U.S. PAT. 3017,187. OTHER U.S. & FOREIGN PATS. PEND. She can have 2 different back body stamps. |
| #1 Grill #1 Stamped on her back: CHATTY CATHY T.M. PATENTS PENDING © MCMLX BY MATTEL INC. HAWTHORNE, CALIF. . WITH AND WITHOUT THE MATTEL BOTTOM CIRCLE BELOW THE STAMP She can have 2 different back body stamps black or brown record is dated 1961 or dated MCMLX=1960 |
| #2 Grill #2 Stamped on her body: CHATTY CATHY T.M. PATENTS PENDING © MCMLX BY MATTEL INC. HAWTHORNE, CALIF. . WITH AND WITHOUT THE MATTEL BOTTOM CIRCLE BELOW THE STAMP Also I have seen this body stamped: CHATTY CATHY ® ©1960 CHATTY BABY T.M. ©1961 BY MATTEL INC U.S. PAT. 3017,187. OTHER U.S. & FOREIGN PATS. PEND. WITH THE MATTEL BOTTOM CIRCLE. She can have 3 different back body stamps. Black or brown record is dated 1961 |
| #??? Grill #2 Stamped on her back: CHATTY CATHY ® ©1960 CHATTY BABY T.M. ©1961 BY MATTEL INC U.S. PAT. 3017,187. OTHER U.S. & FOREIGN PATS. PEND. With bottom circle that reads: MATTEL INC M TOYMAKERS Black or brown record is dated 1961 |
| #4 Grill #4 Stamped on her back CHATTY CATHY ® © 1960 CHATTY BABY T.M. ©1961 BY MATTEL INC U.S. PAT. 3017,187. OTHER U.S. & FOREIGN PATS. PEND. PAT'D. IN CANADA 1962. Black Record, dated 1961 OR 1962 Black Record dated 1961. BUT MOSTLY DATED 1962 |
| #5 Grill #5 Stamped on her back CHATTY CATHY ® © 1960 CHATTY BABY T.M. ©1961 BY MATTEL INC U.S. PAT. 3017,187. OTHER U.S. & FOREIGN PATS. PEND. PAT'D. IN CANADA 1962. Black, Orange or White Record, dated 1962 |
| This body has a closed neck ring. I have never seen this body with an open neck ring. She can come with a black, orange or white record. The black record is seen mostly in the blonde pigtail dolls. The housing can also be white as in the picture far below. She comes with all the different heads, American soft or hard head or Canadian soft head. Her record always says 18 different phrases. American dolls can come with white, yellow and peach colored limbs. Canadian dolls come with Canadian peach colored limbs. |
| The 4 dolls below all have a closed voice box and an open neck ring and are the hardest to fix. Once the doll is opened you will then have to open the closed box in order to fix her. Three of them have black paper speakers and are quiet talkers. One (#???) has a white plastic speaker and is a loud and clear talker. All 4 only say 11 phrases. The only difference in the prototype is there isn't any writing on her back and she has the black paper speaker not the white plastic one. All 4 can come with dated records black or brown, dated MCMLX =(1960) and 1961. Also the phrases are slightly different between the MCMLX record and the 1961 record. She is hard to fix because of the closed voice box but once fixed she will last the longest. To me she is worth fixing but I should mention here that I fix these dolls, meaning I have extra parts always, so if I break the black box housing, I have other tops or bottoms of the black box that I can use to replace it with. If you are going to fix this doll, I would suggest you buy 2 dolls a like and use the top or bottom off of each black box to fix the one. Information Below Taken From My TidBits & FAQ page under Chatty Cathy & Her Body Types. #0, #1, #2 and #? Body/grills, all 3 say 11 phrases. All the same inside, having a closed voice box. But number ??? has a white plastic speaker where #0, #1 and #2 have a black paper speaker. But all four are made almost the same and are the hardest to fix. The black paper speaker is not very loud and it can get bent and ripped easily. The plastic white speaker inside number ??? is a much better speaker and it is also glued to the doll unlike the black paper speaker that is attached to the moving needle. Also I list #??? as a #2 on my site and ebay. #0 and #1 alway come with a soft head, #2 can come with a soft head but I have also seen her with a hard head. I just seen this body come with a black hard head and have seen this body come with other hard heads as well. (#??? body will a lot of the time come with a hard head with a Paige Boy hair cut, which is also the hard head that you will see small pea size white spots or "chatty measles") #2 ??? is also the one I see coming out of Canada a lot. |
| #0 Prototype Grill #1 Nothing on the back description is the same as number one above No Back Body Stamp black or brown record is dated from MCMLX=1960 to 1961 |
| More details about the dolls (below) |
| Number 4 Grill #4 |
| Number 5 Grill #5 |
| #5 Body/grill, always says 18 phrases. This body is the one everyone wants and that is because she is easy to fix and the orange or white record is a much better record than the black one. The doll can come with the orange or white record and that record is made better and less likely to get scratched up like the black one does. She can also come with the spring pressed needle and with the black record and same housing that is in the #4. I see this mostly in blonde pigtail dolls. What I don't like about the number 5 is the needle isn't spring pressed and I am sure Mattel took the spring out/off because when they made the better record and added the ventilation holes just the one spring (spring in the speaker) was enough. Plus the needle was less likely to damage the record by removing that spring on the needle. This is also when the better harder orange record was introduced, it helped stop the needle from damaging the record. But after 50 years, the plastic is breaking down where the needle is attached to the number 5's body. Unlike the #4's spring pressed needle. That plastic needle ring and post have a tendency to break off in this #5 body and once it does, you might as well just put the doll aside or put a whole new phonograph in her because it is close to impossible to fix that plastic needle ring. But she is a very good talker when everything is working right and she has the better orange record 30% of the time. Just remember when buying a doll with a #5 body doesn't mean she will have a #5 player with the better orange record inside her body. A lot of the blondes have the #4 player/phonograph inside them with the black record. To find a doll with the white record is rare, I have only found a handful of white records in literately 4 or 5 hundred dolls. (Brunettes and Redheads can also have the #4 record player inside the body as well as the black record) Her record is 65% of the time black, maybe 30% of the time orange and maybe 5% white |
| #4 Body/grill, is the first to say 18 phrases. This body is easy to fix if you know what you are doing and a lot of the time a better made doll than the number 5's. The reason is, in almost all number 4's the needle has a spring on it to push the needle down onto the record. I think when Mattel added the 4 ventilation holes to make her talk better they didn't need the duel spring, meaning a spring on the needle and a spring in the speaker. One spring was good enough. Plus by removing that spring pressed need helped stop the needle from damaging the record. She is a very dependable doll, she can almost always be fixed. In fact and in comparison to the number of dolls I have repaired, I have had more luck fixing this doll than fixing the number 5. (this doll is the first one to say 18 different phrases, her record is dated 1962 . She can be found with a record dated 1961 and says 11 phrases maybe 0.5% of the time. |
| #3 Body/grill, says 11 phrases. This doll is the very worse one to fix. She can be fixed but I bet 80% of the time when I have gone to fix her, she has so much wrong with her she is not worth repairing. She is such a bad doll for restore that I have stopped buying her. The reason is because her record player is open and it has a red or black paper speaker, mostly red. With her having a combination of an open voice box and a paper speaker, has made this doll a bad one for repair. The red paper speaker is almost always bent and oily, the black one is better but not by much. Even if you manage to remove the speaker to replace it, it is very hard to get the speaker back on. That glob of wax that holds the speaker on is some kind of very hard wax. If you are lucky and manage to get one where the speaker isn't bent, then 9 times out of ten when you go to play the record it will have a loud electrifying sound in the background if it is the red speaker. Kind of like the noise of an electric record player with a scratched up record playing. (very hard to explain). She can also come with the really bad faded white arms and legs. She has an open neck ring and a lot of the time and can come with a hard head with a Paige Boy hair cut (Paige Boy is the doll notorious for white spots on her face called Chatty Measles). She can come with a soft face bob head and I have seen her with both hard and soft face pigtails. She says 11 phrases and was still being made in 1962. Also Mattel went to 18 phases in 1962 along with a better record player. But unfortunately she never got the better record, she always has a black record that only says 11 different phrases. Also with this doll, a lot of the time, will come with a hard head, what that means is ... this dolls body neck ring is the open kind a lot of the time, just like numbers 0-2, meaning it is very hard to get a hard head off without breaking the neck ring. It is easier to put the head back on, than to take it off this body. 0-2 almost always comes with a soft head so the open neck ring isn't a problem because a soft head is very easy to work with. In all the dolls I have fixed this is the one I have the most trouble with. It can be fixed but you have to so very careful with her that it can be nerve racking. To me she is the most fragile doll of all the Chatty Cathy dolls. Plus once repaired she will never be a very loud talker. (this doll has also been called the transitional doll because it the first open voice box) PS: 9 times out of ten she will come with a red paper speaker. |
| Chatty Cathy Body American & Canadian (American & Canadian Dolls Have The Same Body) The Way These Dolls Are Listed "Numbered" (Below in white on the picture) (I list them by what the grill looks like) Note: There are 5 different grills "6" pictures but only 5 grills |
| #0 (Prototype) Note: All the body backs are stamped Mattel, except for this prototype doll. Record Black and dated MCMLX (MCMLX=1960) black or brown record dated 1961. #1 Record color is black and dated MCMLX (MCMLX=1960) and black or brown record dated 1961 Both #0 & #1 Have closed voice boxes with a black paper speaker & say 11 different phrases. |
| #2 Cloth on speaker has been removed. Record color is black or brown and is dated 1961, & say 11 different phrases. Also has a closed voice box with a black paper speaker just like #0 and #1. |
| Another #2=??? I call this one a #2 but she is different than all the rest. She has a white plastic speaker like numbers 4 & 5, but has a closed voice box, like numbers 0,1 & 2. Her record is black and is dated 1961 & say 11 different phrases. She is also the one I see coming out of Canada a lot. She is like a mix of all the dolls, so what number is she? |
| #3 (Please Notice) Her whole grill is compleatly covered with holes. Unlike the #4 body (Above). Record is black and is dated 1961 & say 11 different phrases. Has an opened voice box with a red or black paper speaker. The speaker rides on top the needle when she is talking. She is the first doll to have an open voice box. |
| #4 Her grill is covered in holes except for the very center. This body is the same inside as the #5 body. The only difference between #4 and #5 are the 4 ventilation holes. Record color is 98% black but can be orange, dated 1962. She is the first doll to say 18 different phrases. Has an open voice box. Please do not get this body mixed up with #3, it is NOT the same body. Note the solid center on the grill in the picture above to see the differance. |
| #5 Has the same grill as the #4 but it also has the 4 ventilation holes under the grill. Says 18 different phrases. Record color is 65% black, 30% orange and 5% white. Dated 1962 & say 18 different phrases. Has an open voice box. |
| So you do not get confused when you are buying the number 2 or the one marked with a ??? mark (above) look inside the grill holes and you will be able to see a white plastic speaker. |
| TidBiT:. The solid center is where a spring sits to push down on the needle and then will retract when the doll is done talking. |
| Notice the center of the grill Does Not have a hole, it has a solid center, just like the number 5 grill above. This body is the same inside as the #5 above. She says 18 phrases 98% of the time, 2% of the time 11 phrase. If she is French doll 11 phrases, Spanish 18. |
| Notice the grill is completely covered with holes. The picture top left is showing the red paper speaker. The picture left bottom is showing the black paper speaker. Both pictures show what can be found in this doll. Always says 11 phrases, never 18. This body can have 2 of the 5 body stamps. |
| Number 3 Grill #3 |
| Number ??? Grill #?/2 |
| Number 2 Grill #2 |
| The brown record can only be found in #0-#3 The black record can be found from prototype to number 5 doll. Says 11 and 18 phrases The orange record number 3 from left to right is found in about 30% of the number 5 dolls and says 18 phrases. The white record is in maybe 5% of the dolls and is very rare and says 18 phrases. |
| (above) Closed Voice Box above Inside the prototype and number 1, 2 and ??? dolls. |
| (below) Parts You Will Find Inside The Doll |
| The two pictures are of dolls with the closed black voice box. Once opened you will find a black paper speaker or in number ??? a white plastic speaker. You will also find a black or brown record. |
| Closed black box that is inside the prototype and number 1, 2 and ??? dolls. |
| Body Parts (Below) |
| I have repaired several hundred of these dolls and as long as I know what the grill/speaker looks like I will know what is inside her body. You need to always go by the grill. The grill is the best why to tell what you are buying. The number or how they list them on ebay or how I list them really doesn't matter, what matters is what that grill looks like because the grill will tell you what is inside that body. |
| "Prototype" additional information. So is it possible for you to find a Canadian doll with a prototype body? Answer "Yes". Would she be a true prototype? Answer "No" because a true prototype would of been an American made blonde bob head as per the 1998 advertisement video. In that video Ruth Handler holds up the first Chatty Cathy doll, the doll is an American blonde bob with blue decal eyes. But the body was used for the brunette bob with blue and brown eyes and the brown eyed blonde bob. (Click Here for Time Line) We know that because in that same video Ruth talks about the brown eyes saying if they ran out of blue eyes they would use brown. She also says the doll was mass-produced and used what they had. Also the 1998 remake Chatty Cathy doll according to that video was made to be just like the very first Chatty Cathy dolls. A blonde bob with blue eyes but they also added brown eyes to the remake blonde dolls but not brunette hair. My conclusion on the prototype is as follows. Mattel made blonde bob head with blue decal eyes and then made the brunette head with brown decal eyes. Then made the brunette with blue decal eyes and the blondes with brown eyes, in that order and all prototype dolls. But the very first true prototype was an American made Blonde Bob with blue decal eyes. Also my reasoning for this is Mattel was mass-producing the prototype body in 1960. And I would imagine they would want to use up the prototype bodies. It wasn't until later that same body was stamped on the back with the Mattel stamp, plus that back stamp would of been right in the plastic mold so it wasn't like they could go back and stamp all of those prototype bodies they would of had left when they decided to stamp the doll. Plus since I can find the 1961 record inside the prototype body, is telling me they ran out of the MCMLX record before they ran out of the prototype body or vice versa depending on where the dolls body was made. I don't think it would of mattered too much because the box, nor the storybook had the exact sayings on them as the first record anyway, so it didn't matter if they added a 1961 record to the prototype body. They needed to use up that body, it would have been a cost issue. The doll was being mass-produced, they had to save where they could. Also I personally have never seen this body as on a Canadian doll but I have had people from Canada write me and tell me they have a Canadian doll with a prototype body. Plus we know Dee & Cee did make the darker color limbs as seen on my Chatty Cathy limb page and used the #1 body that does have a cloth covered speaker and she can have blue decal eyes. Mattel did license Dee & Cee to make the Chatty Cathy doll in 1960. So my thinking is Yes, it is possible for a prototype body to come out of Canada. I also say that because I do not believe Dee & Cee made their own bodies. All the bodies came from Mattel in America as did some of the eyes (blue decal), the blue decal had to have been shipped to Dee & Cee because they are American made eyes (this I am unsure of but all of my research has told me they are American made eyes) . Also I say that about the body because out of 4 to 5 hundred doll that I have opened not one of them is marked anywhere telling me they were made in Canada. The arms and legs yes, they were made in Canada and you can tell that by the color and also the head was made in Canada but not the body. And I know Dee & Cee made the darker limbs that always come on the prototype dolls and also come on the other cloth covered speaker dolls. So Yes, in my thinking the prototype body could of come with a Canadian head and limbs. Note: This is just an educated guess, it is not hard fact and there is no way to prove it one-way or the other. You would have to find Mattel's records of what doll bodies were sent to Canada. Click Here for more evidence the true prototype was a blonde and here for -->. (Click Here for Time Line and Pictures) MoreInfo: I bought a Canadian Brunette bob with blue decal eyes, #1 body (cloth covered gill, unopened), with the Canadian brown limbs and the record inside her is the MCMLX=(1960) record. She is not a prototype but she still has the MCMLX record in her and 1960 body with brunette hair. In turn tells me the brunette bob was made in 1960 in Canada as well as in America and it also tells me that the #1 body was used in Canada and remember the #1 body is the very same body as the prototype the only difference is the Mattel stamp on the back. |
| (above) Close-up of what is on this dolls back. |
| (above) Close-up of what is on this dolls back. |
| (above) Close-up of what is on this dolls back sometimes. |
| (above) Close-up of what is on this dolls back. |
| Chatty Cathy Doll Body and Parts. Pictures & details (below) |
| Grill #5 Body #5 (below) |
| (above) Close-up of what is on this dolls back. Always says 18 phrases. |
| #0 Grill Prototype, round indented cloth covered speaker, closed voice box, black paper speaker, black record mostly, Record is dated MCMLX (MCMLX=1960) No Mattel stamp on her back, says 11 phrases. I have found the 1961 brown and black record in this doll. Please Click Here For A Complete Explanation of the "Prototype" Chatty Cathy doll, Was she made in Canada? Year made, 1960 into 1961 As per her earliest advertisement ad was Aug of 1960. Also even though the first Chatty Cathy boxes say 1959 this doll was not produced until 1960 as per June Foray's first recording wasn't until 1960. The doll was created in 1959 but wasn't produced for market until 1960. Plus I have found a dated 1961 record inside this body so this doll was made for a long time. This doll was made all of 1960 and into 1961. #1 Grill Doll has a round indented cloth covered speaker, closed voice box, black paper speaker, black or brown record. Record is dated MCMLX (MCMLX=1960) or 1961 first to have the Mattel patent pending stamp on her back, says 11 phrases. Year Made 1960/61 as per her dated record inside her body and she has a patent pending on her back. Patent wasn't applied for until 1960. This doll was made in 1960 into 1961. I have seen this doll as a Canadian doll. #2 Grill Doll has a round indented hexagon speaker and does not have any cloth covering that speaker, closed voice box, black paper speaker, black record can be brown. She says 11 phrases. Her record is dated 1961. Her back can have three 3 different Mattel stamps. She says 11 phrases. Her year had to be 1960 into 1962 because you can find her with a patent pending on her back and a patent number plus the patent number wasn't added to the back until 1962 as per patent records, click here to view those documents. #2 ??? Grill Doll has white plastic speaker, black record (record dated 1961) Stamp on her back has the Mattel stamp. She says 11 phrases. Also the Mattel stamp on the back of this body is the only stamp not used on any other body number (body=grill #). Year Made 1960-1962 as per her dated records inside her body and her patent number stamp. I have seen this doll with a 1962 orange record inside her body but only one time in an un-opened doll. To find this doll look inside her speaker grill, you will see a white plastic speaker. This is a doll that I have seen come out of Canada a lot. Note: if she has a white plastic speaker she will also be stamped with the Mattel patent number. NOTE: The 4 dolls above all have a closed voice box. The first 3 have paper speakers, #2?? Has a white plastic speaker glued to the body. Where the black paper speaker sits on top of the needle arm and rides along as the record moves. Where inside the #2??? the white plastic speaker has a spring in the center that pushes the needle down onto the record holding it in place, meaning the speaker does not move. #3 Grill Doll has a hexagon speaker with a grill that is completely covered in holes. She has 61 holes in her speaker grill. This doll is the first to have an open voice box but still has a paper speaker that can be red or black. Plus that speaker also rides on top of the needle just like in numbers 0-2 above. She has a black record (record dated 1961). She can have two different Mattel stamps. She says 11 phrases. I have never seen one of these dolls with a record dated 1962 saying 18 phrases. But I have seen a 1962 French record (French record says 11 phrases) inside this body, she was an unopened French Canadian Doll and I still have her. So I know this body was still being used in Canada in 1962. Year made 1961 to 1962 as per her stamped patent number back. This is also the doll that gets mixed up with the number 4 below. People will list her as a #4 and she is not a #4 doll. Pay attention to her speaker grill. It is completely covered in holes, 61 of them, where the #4 doll below only has 60 holes on her grill. This doll is a VERY bad choice for repair. Read more about her below. #4 Grill Doll has a hexagon speaker with a hole-covered grill but the grill has a solid center, unlike the grill of the #3 above. Please do not get this doll mixed up with the #3 above. She has 60 holes in her speaker grill but "does not" have 4 ventilation holes below that speaker grill. She has an open voice box, a white plastic speaker and a black record. (Record dated 1962). Mattel stamped back. She is the first doll to say 18 phrases. She can also be found with a black record dated 1961 that says 11 phrases but very few, maybe 2%. Year made 1962-1963 I cannot tell when this doll was stopped and the #5 was started because sales ads do not show the naked body and she is the same inside as the #5. The only thing that can tell me when this doll was stopped is the color of the orange record which is almost never found in this dolls body. But I do know this body was still being used in 1963 because of the Spanish dolls record, that record is dated 1963 and says 18 phrases. So this body came out in 1962 and was still in use in 1963. It is also seen in the Chatty Baby dolls that say 18 phrases. But again this dolls body if she has a Chatty Cathy head will 98% of the time say 18 phrases. Also this body is the same inside as the #5 below. It is a very good body for repair 99% of the time this body can be repaired unlike the #3 above. #5 Grill Doll has a hexagon speaker hole covered solid center grill, 60 holes in speaker and also has 4 ventilation holes below that speaker, open voice box, white plastic speaker. Her record is 65% of the time black, maybe 30% of the time orange and maybe 5% white. Record is dated 1962. Mattel stamp on her back. She says 18 phrases and is the last doll made. Year made 1962 until they stopped production. As per catalog ads, her earliest advertisement is in 1963, which means she was made in 1962 and is the same inside her body as the #4 above. Except she has the extra 4 bottom holes. I cannot tell when this doll was stopped because I do not know when Mattel stopped producing the Chatty Cathy doll. The only thing I know for sure is Mattel was still producing the Chatty Cathy doll in 1963 because the Spanish dolls record is dated 1963. My assumption is Mattel continued making the dolls through 1964. My reasoning for that is because Mattel bought Dee & Cee in 1962. Plus the reason Mattel bought Dee & Cee was because the Canadian Chatty Cathy doll was doing so well. I have also read Dee & Cee closed down in 1964. What happen after that I do not know, meaning I do not know if Mattel kept that company open or closed the doors once the Chatty Cathy dolls production was stopped. PS: I use the term "Ventilation holes" because that is what I read in one of the books. But I am more inclined to believe they are part of her good talking so to speak. The extra holes helped her talk better or rather sound better. I will go along with ventilation holes because they also help ventilate the body. Note: 0-3 dolls DO NOT say 18 different phrases! The only dolls that say 18 are the #4 and #5 body above. Meaning the bodies that have the grill that you can see the very center of that grill is solid. These 2 dolls are also the only dolls marked with PAT'D. IN CANADA 1962 on their backs, so if you insist on buying this doll by what her back says please look for the PAT'D. IN CANADA 1962 or go by the grill, look for that solid center. Compare the grills above to see the difference. Please watch what you are buying. The #3 body above is often listed as a #4 and people assume that if it is a #4 with the words Chatty Cathy 1960 Chatty Baby 1961 stamped on her back, that she will say 18 phrases, she does not, she only says 11 phrase. Only numbers 4 and 5 grills above say 18 phrases and they are the only dolls that have the PAT'D. IN CANADA 1962 on their backs. If you see #3 above and the seller is saying she says 18 phrases, the seller is either mistaken or has changed the record. This is why you should always go by what the grill looks like when you are buying these dolls. One more thing, I did, one time find a #2 doll with a orange record that said 18 phrases inside her body. But I have only ever found that one doll (out of 400 to 500 dolls). So she was an exception, meaning, she had to be a test doll. These dolls are starting to get mixed up, people are starting to put the wrong record inside the doll and saying she was made that way when she wasn't. Just be careful when buying and always look at that grill. Time Line & Picture (Click Here) By Years The Doll Was Made. |
| Grill #4 Body #4 (below) |
| Grill #3 Body #3 (below) |
| Grill #2 Body #??? (below) |
| Grill #2 Body #2 (below) |
| Body #0, #1, ??? and #2 all for of these bodies (below) have a closed voice box |
| Notice (above) this body can have 3 of the 5 body stamps. |
| Grill #1 Body #1 (below) |
| Grill #0 Body #0 "Prototype" (below) |
| Number 1 Grill #1 |
| Number 0 Grill #1 "Prototype" |
| This doll most of the time has an open neck ring and some of the time a closed one. The later her back is stamped the more likely her neck ring will be closed. But that is not always the case. American dolls can come with white limbs, yellow and peach colored limbs. Canadian dolls come with Canadian peach colored limbs. 100% of the time she has a black or brown record that only says 11 phrases. Her record is dated 1961. But I do have a French Canadian doll that has this body and her record is dated 1962. She comes with all the different heads, American soft or hard head or Canadian soft head. But I do not see her as a Hard Head pigtail very often. Note: this doll is also the doll that comes a lot of the time with a hard head Paige Boy head. The head is notorious for Chatty Cathy Measles that cannot be seen in pictures alone. This body is also seen with Chatty Baby which is also notorious for Measles. This doll also comes a lot of the time with the really bad white limbs and can have the open right hand a lot. |
| This doll always has an open neck ring. American dolls can come with brown limbs, white, yellow and peach colored limbs. Canadian dolls can come with Canadian brown or peach colored limbs. 100% of the time she has a black or brown record that only says 11 phrases. Her record is dated 1961. She can come with an American soft or hard head or Canadian soft head. I see this body coming out of Canada a lot |
| This doll always has an open neck ring. American dolls can come with brown limbs, white, yellow and peach colored limbs. Canadian dolls can come with Canadian brown or peach colored limbs. 100% of the time she has a black or brown record that only says 11 phrases. Her record is dated 1961. She can come with an American soft or hard head or Canadian soft head. I see this body coming out of Canada a lot |
| About The Closed Voice Box Dolls (below) #0-2 |
| This doll always has an open neck ring. American dolls can come with brown limbs, white limbs and peach colored limbs. Canadian dolls can come with Canadian brown or peach colored limbs. Note: This is the earliest doll I have ever seen the open right hand on. That hand, most of the time came on the #3 doll above but can come on any of the dolls except for the prototype doll below. 100% of the time she has a black record that only says 11 phrases. Her record is dated MCMLX=1960 or 1961. Her head is always soft American and Canadian and can have blonde or brunette hair with both blue and brown eyes. Can come with brown limbs or the peach colored limbs |
| This doll is exactly like the Prototype doll, she has a closed voice box and a black or brown record that says 11 phrases. Her record is dated MCMLX for 1961. She has a black paper speaker and is a doll that is very hard to repair. She is a very quiet talker. The only difference in this doll and the Prototype is the writing on her back. The prototype back is not stamped. Yes, I have seen this body come out of Canada. |
| This doll always has an open neck ring. Came with the brown limbs. 100% of the time she has a black record that only says 11 phrases. Her record is dated MCMLX or 1961. Her head is always soft and can have blonde or brunette hair with both blue and brown eyes. Came with the brown limbs. |
| This doll is the Prototype. She has a closed voice box and a black or brown record that says 11 phrases. Her record is dated MCMLX or 1961. She has a black paper speaker and is a doll that is very hard to repair. She is a very quiet talker. The only difference between this doll and #1 above is this dolls back is not marked. Also you should also know this dolls body was made a very long time. Production started in 1960 and went on into 1961 is my best guess. Canadian Body?? Yes and No, (Please read below under "Prototype" additional information). |
| (above and below) to show the differance in the closed voice boxes. |
| (below) Different Color Records You Will Find Inside The Chatty Cathy Body |
| Govenner and white casement with attached needle |
| Black casement with attached needle |
| Spring Steel |
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| Stamp on #1, 2 and 3 Grill |
| Stamp on #1 and 2 Grill |
| Stamp on #2 and 3 Grill |
| Stamp #2 #2??? Grill |
| Stamp on #4 and 5 Grill |
| CHATTY CATHY T.M. PATENTS PENDING © MCMLX BY MATTEL INC. HAWTHORNE, CALIF. |
| CHATTY CATHY T.M. PATENTS PENDING © MCMLX BY MATTEL INC. HAWTHORNE, CALIF. With bottom circle that reads: MATTEL INC M TOYMAKERS |
| CHATTY CATHY ® ©1960 CHATTY BABY T.M. ©1961 BY MATTEL INC U.S. PAT. 3017,187. OTHER U.S. & FOREIGN PATS. PEND. With bottom circle that reads: MATTEL INC M TOYMAKERS |
| CHATTY CATHY ® ©1960 CHATTY BABY T.M. ©1961 BY MATTEL INC U.S. PAT. 3017,187. OTHER U.S. & FOREIGN PATS. PEND. |
| CHATTY CATHY ® © 1960 CHATTY BABY T.M. ©1961 BY MATTEL INC U.S. PAT. 3017,187. OTHER U.S. & FOREIGN PATS. PEND. PAT'D. IN CANADA 1962. |
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| Body Back is not stamped |
| She can have 3 different Mattel back body stamps. |
| This doll is the same as the above #2??? except she has a black paper speaker. She has a closed voice box with black paper speaker. Open neck ring, hard head or soft. I have seen her as a soft head pigtail. I have also seen her many times with the Paige Boy hair cut. (Paige Boy is the doll notorious for white spots on her face called Chatty Measles). I have at times seen her with the really bad faded limbs. Her record is black and says 11 different phrases. |
| Time Line with Pictures Can also be read on the History of the Chatty Cathy Doll page (Click Here) |
| (Above) Blonde Record Dated 1961 along with the word BLON CC meaning Blonde Chatty Cathy This record plays the first set of 11 phrases. The BLON word was removed leaving only the number 686-201 and now could be placed in any doll, blonde, brunette & redhead that said 11 phrases. |
| Pictures of Records with the words BLON & BRUN 1961 |
| (Above) Brunette Record Dated 1961 along with the word BRUN CC meaning Brunette Chatty Cathy This record plays the second set of phrases. The BRUN word was removed leaving only the number 683-201 and now could be placed in any doll, blonde, brunette & redhead that said 11 phrases |
| (Above) Snippet from the 1998 remake advertizment video showing the Chatty Cathy recordings by June Foray. Left side shows 1960 the first tape made and right showing 1961 recording both by June Foray. I found a few of these pictures on my computer and I do not know where I got them or who sent them to me. I do know I have had them for years and had to cut them down, make snip-its to make them fit. I think somebody sent them to me a long, long time ago before I had a copy of the 1998 advertisement video. (I think) I can't remember but I am using them on a few of my pages. |
| (Above) Snippet from the 1998 remake advertisement video showing the Chatty Cathy recordings by June Foray. Look to where it says Blonde Chatty Cathy Talent June Foray and below that it says Brunette Chatty Cathy Talent June Foray. Even though this picture I think is from record books dating 1961 but maybe 1962 but I think 1961, it shows how the blonde and the brunette at one time had 2 different sets of sayings but later combined into one record saying 18 phrases. The first Chatty Cathy dolls had records marked blonde, brunette and other words on the 11 phrase records. The first set of phrases was used for the blonde "Prototype doll", that same year (within in months) the brunette doll was made as was a second set of phrases and put in the brunette dolls. Then in 1961 when the redhead came out Mattel did away with marking those records BLOD and BRUN leaving only numbers so both records could be placed in any doll, blonde, brunette & redhead. It was only when the 18 phrase record came out that Mattel started marking the record Chatty Cathy, it was a way to tell these records apart. Meaning that there are 2 records with 11 phrase each marked with blon, brun, yellow and br1 or just numbers and just one record with 18 phrase that is marked Chatty Cathy. The records were place in many different dolls such as the brunette prototype and the hard heads Paige Boys both blonde and brunettes. But I have never seen a redhead Paige Boy doll and I have always assumed the doll was never made and I kind of still think that. But the redhead bob was made in Canada and I have seen the doll with a #3 body, which tells me she only said 11 phrases, meaning she had to have one or the other of these two records inside her body not labeled BLON or BRUN, in turn telling me this is the reason the words were removed because of the redhead. Plus I have repair so many of these dolls I have many records that are not labeled BLON or BRUN with 11 phrases dated 1961, that have come in all the dolls except #4 and #5 and have found one or two in the #4 doll. But I have many more that are labeled BLON or BRUN so those word were not removed until much later in 1961, meaning if you buy a blonde bob that says 11 phrase she will a lot of the time say the first set of phrase as will the brunette bob say the second set of phrases in the 1961 dolls. Plus the MCMLX=1960 are not marked in anyway as per blonde or brunette, and as many as I have checked, all say the first set of phrases. This is also the reason I am sure the Blonde Bob was the very first doll made, mass-produced with an over flow of bodies that were used up into 1961 and were used for both blonds and brunette dolls with both blue and brown eyes and possibly used on the Canadian dolls as replacement bodies if the doll was sent back for repair. Plus even if you would like to think that only blonde records were used with blonde heads and brunette records only used with brunette heads would be unrealistic. These dolls were mass-produced and Mattel didn't have a problem mixing up the eyes I am sure they didn't have a problem mixing up the records. They used what they had. They had to, it would of been a cost issue. Look below for the phrases that are on these two different records. |
| (Above) is a picture of the 1992 record that has 18 phrases, this record is to show you that the 746-202 at the end and is also the same number in the picture above, this is why I think this snip-it picture is from the 1961 books because 201 and 202 numbers were used at the end on all of the records that I have seen so far that are dated 1961 through 1963. I am not sure why those last numbers were used. But I will say this, it is not for the number of sayings because 202 is also next to Casper and Matty Mattel above in the picture and both of those dolls only said 11 phrases. Plus it is not for the year because the year on the record picture above is 1962 and it is not for who recorded the record because on my bigger picture 202 is on all the talking dolls voices by other people. But it does say above the numbers TOY or PROJECT so it might be a filing number. Also this is a paper record snip-it picture from Mattel's 1961 record cutting log because Casper, Matty and Belle were sold in 1962 because I have sales ad showing them for sale in 1962, meaning they woudl of been made in 1961. Click Here to view sales ad it is on my box, sales ad page. (close to top of page) But this could be from 1962 because there isn't a number next to the Brunette meaning by 1962 there was only one record dated 1962 ... 746-202 ... Meaning blondes, brunettes and redheads all had the same record saying 18 phrases. Plus the Spanish dolls have 161-202 and the French has 115-201. Spanish saying 18 and the French saying 11. So after all of that, I think it is nothing more than a filing number, like the information on this record is filed under 201 or 202 in Mattel filing system or it could be the number of the machine it was made on.. This is also more proof that the Spanish doll was made her number is 161-202. |
| IN summing up this whole page I would like to say. This page has taken me 6 years to do. I started working on it 6 years ago. Saving everything I could get my hands on trying to find out just how the doll was made, what heads were used, why one head and not the other, why soft or hard, why so many bodies, why different eyes, limbs, freckles not to mention the foreign dolls plus the black dolls and the Canadian dolls and the years they were made and changed. My final conclusion is. Mattel made a talking doll, they didn't really know just what would sell nor how many would be made. They didn't have a clue as to what this doll would mean to people after 50 years, when they added different bodies to make her better, different hair to make her better, different records to make her better, all they were doing was making a sellable doll, so they thought. But now after 50 years The Chatty Cathy Doll is really a ONE OF A KIND DOLL. Even more so than any other doll that Mattel made or anyone has ever made. We all know there are dolls out there that were made for just one year or just a few hundred or so and are called rare and unusual and were not made in the thousands like Chatty Cathy was. But I can also say the Chatty Cathy doll is the only doll out there that turned out to be an unforeseen coincidence. Meaning the doll was not planned this way but there isn't to this day one Chatty Cathy doll that looks just like the next. There is always something different about each doll. She is a TRUE, One Of A Kind Doll and will continue to be a collectable doll forever. So it doesn't matter what Chatty Cathy doll you have or which one you like best all of them are Unique. |
| More Evidence the Prototype was a Blonde Bob |
| Below are pictures of an ad for the Chatty Cathy doll. The ad is for advertising the doll on TV. The date on the ad is 1960 and says the doll will be advertised on TV, then goes on to say "it's only a start in the upcoming tremendous TV spot campaign" and goes on to say farther down that "it will start in August" of that year. So I don't think Mattel even advertised the doll until late 1960 and the earliest catalog advertisements I can find on the doll are all in 1962. Also it says the doll is a Blonde with rooted hair that you can brush, it says nothing about it being a brunette. (LOL but this is why I wanted the doll, finely a doll you could really bush her hair!!) Plus in the video Ruth Handler is holding the first Chatty Cathy doll, she is a blonde bob with blue eyes and it also shows that same doll in a glass case advertising the comeback of the Chatty Cathy doll. So there is no doubt the very first prototype doll was a blue eyed blonde. Also Ruth handler says in the video their original idea was to use both blue and brown eyes, (meaning blue eyes for the blondes and brown eyes for the brunettes) and says but when they ran out of one they used the other. She says that after they show the brunettes and are talking about the color of the eyes. So the brown eyes came out when the brunette doll came out shortly after the blonde bob in 1960. So yes a prototype can be blonde or brunette with blue or brown eyes. Except the very first prototypes were blonde bobs with blue eyes. See and read pictures below. |
| She always says 18 phrases unless she is a French doll, French dolls only say 11 phrases, Spanish 18 |
| (above) Speakers inside the dolls body. Also (above) Casement found in the #3 first open voice box with the red paper speaker (center picture). |
| The two pictures are of dolls with the closed black voice box. Once opened you will find a black paper speaker or in number ??? a white plastic speaker. You will also find a black or brown record. |
| (below) to show the differance in the closed voice boxes. |
| (below) show the black body. Notice this body has a closed neck ring. First one I have found on a #3 body. |
| The picture to your left is a close-up picture of MCMLX Date on the first record. MCMLX is roman numerals for 1960. |
| One Mixed-Up Doll Take a look a this doll. I bought her just to show you how mixed up these Chatty Cathy dolls really are. This is an original Chatty Cathy doll never touched. First look at her body. She has a cloth covered speaker grill and by rights should have the brown limbs. But has the white limbs that are seen on the #3 dolls. She also has the open right hand that was made in the later years so the doll could wear jewelry. That arm/hand should also be on a #3, #4 or #5 body. Plus look at that very nice and pink left arm ... that arm should be on a #4 or #5 body, it's an arm that didn't fad out as much. You can see she has never been opened and I found a 1961 record in her body that was labeled BRUN for brunette, when by rights she should of had the MCMLX record. Plus she has the early head with the more gray freckle color, seen on the prototype bodies. This is one mixed up doll and most would not buy her because she is so mixed up. ...(by the way when I bought her nothing was said about her side having such a big crack, that's eBay for you!)... This doll is a perfect example of how these dolls were made. Mattel did this when they made this doll. And in her day, she was I am sure, a beauty but now she is so old that when someone looks at her they think "Oh My God" look at what somebody did to that doll. When the truth is, "she came this way". |
| My biggest problem with all these dolls is when they were made. The years are very confusing and how their backs are stamped as per the year they were made is all messed up. The only thing that I can say for sure is Mattel starting mass-producing the doll in 1960 because that is the date of the very first recording and there is some questions about that because the dolls body was designed in 1959. Meaning in 1959 a record would of had to be made at some point in order to make sure the doll worked. I know that because the first box is dated 1959 and by the fact the phrases on the box are slightly different as they are different in the storybook. But they are the same, meaning the record design was already made. This is where I wonder if another voice was used before June Foray's, at least on the test records, there had to have been. Also the 1961 records will say blonde or brunette so at some point Mattel must have wanted the blonde and the brunette to say different phrase from one another. It's pretty easy to figure out why Mattel made the different bodies. After 1960, my educated guess is Mattel kept on trying to make a better voice box. We know that because the first dolls voice was so quiet and the record got scratch up easy and most of them do not talk today and cannot be repaired with any kind of reliability. By the time Mattel made the #5 body the voice was much, much better. It was loud and clear and a better record was made that did not scratch so easy and she now said 18 phrases instead of the original 11. My Time Line: (This is not hard fact) The record MCLMX=1960 always says the first set of 11 phrases and is found in the blonde bob and brunette bob but mostly blonde. Hence the "Prototype" We know this, because the 1961 records can be marked BLON for blonde or BRUN for brunette with the blonde record saying the original set of 11 phrases and the brunette record saying the second set of phrases. This is also why I know the first Chatty Cathy doll was a blonde bob because of that 1961 record marked with BRUN, that record tells me Mattel decided when the second record came out it would be for the brunette doll. But that didn't last long, because the words BLON and BRUN were soon remover from the 1961 record leaving only the numbers or words like yellow or IBR1. I have never found the second set of phrase on a record dated MCLMX =1960 but who knows one could be out there, I just have never found one and until I can fine one or someone comes up with one for me, I am saying, and I still think, and everything points to it, the first doll was the blonde bob. But I also think the brunette bob was also made that first year (within months of the blonde) because of the TV commercial and the video saying the guy that created the head, Tony Hower had a little girl that he fashioned the doll against. It also shows a picture of that little girl standing next to a brunette bob with brown eyes. So why then did Mattel make the second record and mark it with BLON and BRUN? I think it was one of those ideas that fell through because that record was not labeled that way for long. Plus I have never found a MCMLX record marked BLON or BRUN and all of the MCMLX records say the first set of phrases. The marking of those records tells me the Blonde Bob is the first TRUE PROTOTYPE doll. I would also like to say here... even if you would like to think that only blonde record (first saying) were used with blonde heads and brunette records only used with brunette heads would be unrealistic. These dolls were mass-produced and Mattel didn't have a problem mixing up the eyes from brown to blue or blue to brown, I am sure they didn't have a problem mixing up the records too. They used what they had. They had to, it would have been a cost issue. MoreInfo: I bought a Canadian Brunette bob with blue decal eyes, #1 body (cloth covered gill, unopened), with the Canadian brown limbs and the record inside her is the MCMLX=(1960) record. She is not a prototype but she still has the MCMLX record in her and 1960 body with brunette hair. In turn tells me the brunette bob was made in 1960 in Canada as well as in America and it also tells me that the #1 body was used in Canada and remember the #1 body is the very same body as the prototype the only difference is the Mattel stamp on the back. All three records (meaning MCMLX, 1961 BLON and 1961 BRUN) can be found in the "Prototype doll". So that body was still in use in 1961. Also in 1961 the record was changed again and the words BLON and BRUN were remover leaving only the numbers 686-201 for the first set of sayings and 683-201 for the second set. You can also find IBR1 and the word Yellow on some of the records. It would have been later in that same year that BLON and BRUN were remover off the record and I think the reason they removed the BLON and BRUN off the record was because the Redhead soft head came out and now they used both records in the 3 different colored haired dolls. It was also in 1961 that the next two bodies were made. Or rather the cloth was removed off the #1 body making her now the #2 doll and the #3 body was also made. I know this because you can find a Hard Head Paige Boy, Blonde and Brunette on those bodies. But I have never found a redhead Paige Boy so the hard head came out before the Redhead Pigtails. I say that because there isn't a hard head Paige Boy redhead doll. I also think the soft head pigtails were the first pigtail dolls that came out because you can find soft head blondes, brunettes and redheads on the #2 and #3 bodies. My thinking on that is… when Mattel made the #2 and #3 bodies and added the hard head, that neck ring was very unstable and would break off easy. Plus the hard head is so stiff. So when they decided to make the pigtail doll adding the red hair they made that head soft to fit over those open neck rings easy and were much let likely to break the neck ring. Also I know for a fact the #3 body was still in use in 1962 because I have a French Canadian doll that has a 1962 record inside her body. The doll had never been opened and is completely original and it was in 1962 that the pigtail dolls came out as did the 1962 better record that says 18 phrases. Also this body can have a closed neck ring I find that the later her back is stamped the more likely she is to have a closed neck ring but that is not always the case. So the transition from an open neck ring to a closed one first happen with body #3. By 1962 Mattel figured out a way to make the body better by adding a solid neck ring and now adding hard head pigtails. I think that is why we see more hard head pigtails on the #4 and #5 bodies than any other body. In fact when you do see a hardhead pigtail on a #2 or #3 body she does not look right. She looks like she never came on that body and she didn't, at least not on the #2 is my thinking. But and as far as I can tell the soft head pigtails did, so that is why people think the hard head pigtail dolls should of also came on those #2 bodies when I am almost sure they didn't. But anything is possible with these dolls. Mattel was mass-producing the dolls so they had to use up all the doll part. I think in the end all the doll part were used up, meaning all the bodies were used up and so where the heads and limbs. They would not of just tossed out those left over parts. Oh, I am sure they did some but in any business where you mass-produce something you are not going to just throw out perfectly good parts. You are going to use them up where you can. Maybe not the body so much as it could have been melted again easily but the heads and limbs would have been used up. So # 4 and #5 dolls can be found with all the different heads including soft head bobs, hard head Paige boys and soft and hard head pigtails. Plus the limbs too from brown to white, to nice and pink. I also know that Mattel shipped eyes to Canada, that is why you will see the blue decal eyes in Canadian dolls (but why not the brown decal? I don't know). Plus Mattel did use the glassine eyes in the Chatty Cathy dolls and in the Tinny Chatty baby and they are the same eyes as in the glassine eyes in the Canadian Chatty Cathy dolls. So Mattel either got them from Canada or shipped them to Canada. Ether way they were used a lot in both American and Canadian dolls. In the American dolls they are mostly see in the blond pigtail soft head. I have seen them in the hard head blondes and in a brunette Paige boy hard head on the video. Which brings me to the pinwheel eyes in the American dolls. I now think they were used (maybe) but I am still on the edge with that one, what bothers me is I had a doll with the pinwheel eyes but my stupidity made me cut those eyes out of the head. Now my thinking is (yes, maybe) some were used but they were too big for the hard head and after the head shrunk up that eye bulged out and would not close up right, so the idea of using the pinwheel eye in a hard head was trashed. It just didn't work just like the idea of using the BLON and BRUN on the 1961 records. Different things were tried some worked and some didn't. But I do believe there was some sort of exchange in eyes between Mattel and Dee & Cee and remember Mattel did buy out Dee & Cee in 1962 because of the Chatty Cathy doll, because the doll was doing so well in Canada. So my time line is as follows and please remember this is my educated guess. 1959 the body was designed and made with some sort of record that did say 11 phrases but that record wasn't used in the dolls. Those first record sayings are on the front of the first 1959 boxes. 1960 early mass production of the prototype body was being made with the first record dated MCMLX. Doll #0 Also in late 1960 the doll was now stamped and in early 1961 the second record was made. Doll #1 Then the cloth cover was removed from the front of the speaker. Doll #2 And the first #3 bodies were made. Doll #3 Also in 1961 the hard head Paige boy came out as did the Chatty Baby doll and later that same year the redhead and soft heads pigtail doll and the BRUN and the BLON words was now removed from the second 1961 record. But here is also where Mattel was using up the early bodies and was using the 1961 record in those bodies. Because you have to remember that 0-#2 bodies are all the same inside and that body had to be used up. It was mass-produced probably more bodies than they had records for or vice versa depending on where the doll was made. 1962 The hard head pigtails and the #4 and #5 bodies came out with the last record dated 1962 and the doll now said 18 phrases. By the time Mattel stopped production on the doll what was left over in parts would had to be used up, Hence all the different heads were used on these two bodies #4 and #5. Time Line and Summing-Up (below) Blonde bobs blue eyes Brunette bobs brown eyes Blonde bobs brown eyes Hard head Paige Boy blondes blue eyes and brunette with blue or brown eyes. This is also when Mattel started using the Glassine eyes. (Also if the pinwheel eye was ever added to the doll it would have been now, but I am still so unsure about that and I have only ever had one doll that I think was original with green pinwheel eyes. So I am still unwilling to go out on a limb and say that the pinwheel eyes were ever used in the American Chatty Cathy doll. But I am sure the Glassine eye was used. Soft head pigtails blonde, brunette, redheads with blue and brown and glassine eyes. Hard head pigtails blonde, brunette and redheads with blue brown and glassine eyes. The dolls that are seen the most below. This is an unrealistic list of the dolls that you see the most and for some odd reason any doll that doesn't fit the description below doesn't belong or some think is a very rare doll. An American soft head blonde bob prototype with blue eyes and brown limbs. An American soft head brunette bob with brown eyes on a #1 body with brown limbs. A Canadian soft head blonde or brunette bob with pinwheel or glassine eyes on a #2 body with Canadian peachy colored limbs. An American hard head blonde or brunette Paige Boy with blue eyes on a #3 body with white limbs and open right hand. An American soft head blonde, brunette or redhead pigtail with blue eyes on a #4 body with yellow limbs. An American hard head blonde, brunette or redhead pigtail with blue eyes on a #5 body with peach colored limbs. When the truth is.... all these dolls are all mixed up and not by one person or some people out there purposely changing around body parts. When I read things like that, I think, "That is such a ridiculous statement"! Mattel mixed up these dolls, people didn't. They were sold all different ways. With different heads, bodies and limbs dressed in different clothes and came in different boxes. There are very few rules in these dolls... they are... A prototype always came as a soft head bob and has brown limbs. #0-#3 always say 11 phrases and never came in box #3. #5 always says 18 phrase and came in box #3. Canadian dolls always have soft heads and if they have pigtails also have 2 bald spots on the back of their heads. And that's it, there are no other rules with these dolls that you can go by and be completely confident she came that way. Click Here to view a perfect example of a mixed-up doll to see what I am trying to explain about these dolls ------------------------------------------------Scroll Down |
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| Back Body Stamps (Left). This is why you cannot go by the back molded stamp on the doll. There are 5 different stamps. The only way you can go by the stamp is to tell how many phrase she will have. Because picture (#5 down) is the only one that says. PAT'D IN CANADA 1962. If the dolls back stamp says that, then you can be 99.9% sure she will say 18 phrases. All the rest say 11 phrases. Something else I would like to point out here. Her back says "OTHER FOREIGN PATS PEND" PAT'D IN CANADA 1962. Which means Mattel was trying to patent the Chatty Cathy doll and the Chatty Baby doll in other countries besides Canada. Hence the foreign talking Chatty Cathy dolls, like the French doll and the Spanish doll and now I bet there are other foreign talkers out there. PS: Having 5 different stamps would make you think there are 5 different bodies that go with each of the stamps and there are except more than one of the bodies go with each stamp. That is why it is so important to always go by the grill when you are buying the Chatty Cathy doll. |
| Phrases On The Black and White Record Dated 1962 1) Je suis bien sage (I am very good! or I am well-behaved) 2) Je m'appelle Caroline (My name is Caroline) 3) Prenez-moi dans vos bras. (Take me in your arms) 4) J'ai faim, je veux manger (I'm hungry, I want to eat!) 5) Amen-moi dans mon petit lit (Put me in my little bed) 6) Je suis tres jolie (I am very pretty) 7) J'ai tres sommeil (I am very sleepy) 8) Donnez-moi un bonbon (Give me a candy!) 9) Je veux mon lait (I want my milk). 10) Je ferme mes jolies yeux (I will close my pretty eyes!) 11) Je suis tres gentile (I am very sweet!) |
| French Canadian Chatty Cathy Doll |
| #3 Last Record Phrases On The Black, Orange or white Record Dated 1962. 18 Phrases Chatty Cathy says: I love you. =1,2,3 Do you love me?=2,3 Give me a kiss.=2,3 Let's have a party.= 2,3 Please change my dress.= 2,3 Please brush my hair.= 1,2,3 Where are we going?= 1,3 Please take me with you.=2,3 I'm hungry .=1,3 May I have a cookie?=2,3 Will you play with me?=1,3 Please carry me.=1,3 Let's play house.=1,3 I hurt myself! =1,3 I'm so tired =2,3 What can we do now?=2,3 Let's play school.= 2,3 Tell me a story.=1,3 |
| #1 First Record Phrases On The Black Record Dated MCMLX (MCMLX=1960) found in the Prototype and early dolls. 11 Phrases Chatty Cathy says: I love you. =1,2,3 Lets change my dress. =1 Please brush my hair.=1,2,3 Where are we going?=1,3 I'm hungry =1,3 Will you play with me?=1,3 Please carry me.=1,3 Let's play house.=1,3 I hurt myself! =1,3 I'm sleepy.=1 Tell me a story.=1,3 Plus but I am unsure about her but the 2002-3 porcelain Chatty Cathy dolls by the Danbury Mint say these. Also the Ashton Drake 2003 Chatty Cathy and The 2007 Christmas Ornament says the phrases above The 1998 Remake. |
| #2 Second Record Phrases On The Black or Brown Record 1961. Also this record can be found in the Prototype dolls. 11 Phrases Chatty Cathy says: I love you. =1,2,3 Do you love me?= 1,3 Please brush my hair. =1,2,3 What can we do now? =2,3 Please change my dress.=2,3 Give me a kiss.=2,3 I'm so tired.=2,3 Lets have a party.=2,3 Please take me with you.=2,3 Lets play school.=2,3 May I have a cookie?=2,3 |
| What Chatty Cathy Says Note: The numbers next to the phrase will tell you if that particular phrase is also on one of the other records |
| Phrases On The Black Record Dated 1963 1) Te quiero mucho. I love you very much. 2) Vamos a campo. Let’s go to the country. 3) Dame un beso. Give me a kiss. 4) Juega conmigo. Play with me. 5) Cuéntame un cuento. Tell me a story. 6) Estoy cansada. I’m tired. 7) Hola. ¿Qué tal? Hello. How are you? 8) Tengo sueño. I’m sleepy. 9) Eso me gusta. I like that. Note: This doll says 18 phrase but I only have nine of them, Please click here if you speak Spanish. I need help with the translation of 2 recordings of this doll. Please Help! Click |
| Spanish Chatty Cathy Doll |
| Up-Date: I do not have time right now to change this page so I am putting this update in. The pictures of the voice box below came out of a German Cathy Doll. Click here for my "Foreign Chatty Page". This voice box is the same as the one above except it has some updated works inside of it. Plus I have not decided if I should call it a #6 or not. It was made in 1962 and is also found in Mattel stuffed animals made in the later years. But it is the same as the above box except it not only has an updated needle pull but also has a protected grill cover just like the older stuffed animals have and like the box above is made more like the #5 because of the white plastic speaker. It's still a little confusing but I am sure at least that the box below was made AFTER the #5. |
| Up-Date: I do not have time right now to change this page so I am putting this update in. The pictures of the voice box below came out of a German Cathy Doll. Click here for my "Foreign Chatty Page". This voice box is the same as the one above except it has some updated works inside of it. Plus I have not decided if I should call it a #6 or not. It was made in 1962 and is also found in Mattel stuffed animals made in the later years. But it is the same as the above box except it not only has an updated needle pull but also has a protected grill cover just like the older stuffed animals have and like the box above is made more like the #5 because of the white plastic speaker. It's still a little confusing but I am sure at least that the box below was made AFTER the #5. |
